I shall endure, without wrath, the epithets, censures, and accusations heaped upon me; nor can I wonder at the treatment I am daily receiving, when I remember that it was said of Him, whose benevolent doctrines I am humbly endeavoring to set forth, 'Behold he hath a devil.'

It may be as well to add, that I heard a rumor of the first charge, when some time ago in Andover, and there most publicly repelled it. The latter charge is entire new. Yours, respectfully,

GEORGE THOMPSON.

MR. SUNDERLAND'S STATEMENT.

BOSTON, OCT. 24, 1835.

To the Editor of the Liberator :

SIR, I have just now seen a communication taken from the New York Commercial Advertiser, and signed by A. Kaufman, Jr., in which the writer refers to a conversation which took place between himself and Mr. George Thompson, during the visit of the latter gentleman to Andover, in July last, and in which Mr. Kaufman says, that Mr. Thompson used the following language, 'If we preached what we ought, or if we taught the slaves to do what they ought, we WOULD TELL EVERY ONE OF THEM TO CUT THEIR MASTERS' THROATS.'

I cannot express the astonishment I felt upon reading this statement, as I was present during the interview, when the above language is said to have been used, and I am sure that no such language was used by Mr. Thompson. I am confident that I heard every word which passed between Mr. Thompson and Mr. Kaufman, on that occasion, as I felt considerable solicitude in it, from a little knowledge which I had previously had of Mr. Kaufman, occasioned by some statements, which I had heard him make, concerning the church of which I am a member, in the chapel of the Theological Seminary at Andover.

I can easily account for the mistake into which Mr.

Kaufman has fallen, in relation to what Mr. Thompson did say at that time, as he appeared to be somewhat embarrassed, especially when he was requested to mention one place in the Bible, which gave one human being the right to hold another as property. He apologized for not being then prepared to quote a passage from the Bible to this point, and added, that he could do it at another time.'

Something was then said which led Mr. Thompson to quote Exodus xxi. 16, 'He that stealeth a man and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death;' upon which, Mr. Kaufman immediately asked, -'And would you have the slaves rise and cut their masters' throats?' or words to that effect. Mr. Thompson answered, 'NO! But if one could have a right to cut another's throat the slave has a right to cut his master's throat, who holds him in bondage;' and then added, that no one could have such a right, and that he would not have a drop of the slaveholder's blood spilt, if by this means all the slaves could be set free throughout the world; and language to this effect he repeated to Mr. K. frequently.

It was repeated, because Mr. K. said to Mr. T. à number of times You would have the slaves cut their masters'

throats, would you ?' and once Mr. Thompson answered in reply, that the slaves had as much right and as much. provocation to do this, as some of our fathers had to put the British to death, when they felt that they were oppressed by them; but he did not believe it right to shed blood in any case.'

During the conversation, Mr. Kaufman appeared excited, and manifested, as I thought at the time, rather an unpleasant, if not a captious spirit. Mr. Thompson manifested nothing that had the least appearance of anger; his manners were agreeable and christian-like, as usual.

The conversation took place at the house of the Rev. S. W. Wilson, who himself was present, together with the Rev. Mr. Downing, Prof. Gregg, and some others, who will, I doubt not, confirm the statement I have made above. In the mean time, the public may rest assured, that the writer above named, labors under a misapprehension, and that George Thompson did not, at the time referred to, use the offensive language which has been attributed to him.

LA ROY SUNDERLAND.

MR. GREGG'S STATEMENT.

Mr. Thompson :—

HUDSON, (OHIO,) OCT. 27, 1835.

DEAR SIR, I have not seen the statement of Mr. Kaufman to which you allude, and am not, therefore, able to say whether it corresponds in matter and form, with my own impressions of the conversation to which it refers.

At your request, however, I am ready to state what were my own impressions at the time, as I expressed them to Mr. Kaufman, both orally and in writing, on the day subsequent to the conversation.

I understood you to make use of the expression, 'Slaveholders deserve to have their throats cut,' in reference to what you supposed to be their desert, and not the duty of their slaves. When Mr. K. repeated the phrase, and asked whether you meant to say so, you replied,' Yes,' and reiterated the remark, quoting, in confirmation of it, the text, Whosoever stealeth a man and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.' I also understood you to say, in the same connection, I would teach slaves the doctrine of Paul- Servants be

obedient to your masters,' &c., the duty of passive submisson to wrong, or words to the same purport.

You are at liberty to make any use of this communication which the interest of truth may require. As Mr. Kaufman has stated to the public his impressions of the conversation, I deem it but an act of simple justice to yourself to state mine.

Yours, &c.

JARVIS GREGG.

Mr. T.-Dear Sir,-I have given you what I believe to be a true version of the said conversation, and thrown it into the form of a letter to yourself, as the most convenient. Mr. Kaufman has now in his possession my statement in relation to it, given to him on the day subsequent to the conversation, which is in substance the same as I have communicated to you; and I think it a little strange

that he should not have given that to the public, by the side of his own. I trust you will be preserved from using expressions, which may be wrested to your own injury, and the prejudice of the cause of truth and humanity. May God bless you, and keep you, and 'defend the right.' Yours truly,

J. GREGG.

MR. PHELPS' STATEMENT.

FARMINGTON, Nov. 2, 1835.

Dear Brother Thompson :

Yours of the 17th ult., directed to me at Utica, is now before me. Did I deem it necessary, I would state in detail, so far as I can recollect it, the conversation between yourself and Mr. Kaufman, at Andover. It took place while we were lecturing there, and in the house of Rev. S. W. Willson. Mr. Kaufman was brought to the house and introduced to our acquaintance by Mr. Gregg, formerly a tutor at Dartmouth college, and then a student at Andover, who was also present at the conversation.

Mr. Kaufman declares that you said, 'If we preached what we ought, or if we taught the slaves to do what they ought, WE WOULD TELL EVERY ONE OF THEM TO CUT THEIR MASTER'S THROAT.'

I say unhesitatingly, that you did not utter any such words, or any such sentiment on that occasion; and that I never heard you do so on any other occasion, public or private, though I have labored with you weeks together in the cause of emancipation.

As to the other form of phraseology, that every slaveholder ought (or deserves) to have his throat cut,' Mr. Kaufman affirms you employed these very words;--that you made use of this naked, unqualified, unconditional declaration,' and moreover, that he repeated the question three or four times, and you uniformly answered in the

same manner;' and still further, that the passage, Whoso stealeth a man and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death'-was not quoted by you in this connection.'

I affirm, that this passage was quoted in this connection, and in reply to a demand for a single passage which declared slaveholding to be a sin-that the repetition of the question in the case, was the repetition of an opponent, endeavoring to push you on to a literal application of the passage, and thus make you say something, of which he could take advantage against you-and finally, that in your answers, you did not employ those words' nor make use of the naked, unqualified, unconditional declaration, that every slaveholder ought (or deserved) to have his throat cut.' So far from it, your answer was qualified by its connection, and was entirely destitute of the throat-cutting part of the phraseology.

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That I am correct in the above statement, I am quite sure from the fact, that Mr. Kaufman reported the same story at the time, and in substantially the same words, and that then, when the whole conversation was fresh in my mind, I declared it to BE FALSE.

You are at liberty to make what use you please of this

statement.

Yours truly,

AMOS A. PHELPS.